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regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker and his aides are telling us that they really mean it this time. that there has to be a dollar of spending cuts for every dollar that the u.s. agrees to raise the debt limit. and that they would even go for a two or three-month extension as they try to work on a more global discussion of cutting spending. but even if there's an extension, it has to go point by point. the other thing i want to mention, suzanne, which i thought was really interesting, after covering the white house under george bush, that last question about the fac
regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker...
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one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the shutdown and the continuing resolution in this totally screwed up washington that we have right now with all these perverse incentives, that actually does represent progress if republicans are now only talking about a government shutdown and not a debt default. >> do you agree with that? >> i mean, not really. i know what you're saying but i don't really think we should give a lot of rewards. we citizens, we the political class, or we the media for different strains of this kind of leverage. i think the problem and it was in a
one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the...
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they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid
they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the...
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but they want it separated from debt creating. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that la republican decision or is it going to be played conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to plame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of washington, but he didn't mean it. and he doesn't believe it. he thinks, and i think rightly thinks, that the political onus will be on the republicans. the president said we aren't a deadbeat nation which is one of many great quotes in that press conference. >> i like that word deadbeat. >> we aren't a deadbeat nation and he said the republicans will turn us into a deadbeat nation if they do what they're threatening -- >> if sib else object to the question. if there's a different answer i'll sep it. did the democrats ever play the game of not paying the bills of the united states government as a tactic. >> t
but they want it separated from debt creating. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that la republican decision or is it going to be played conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to plame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of...
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debt ceiling, he's going to make his statement that he's not going to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. but we've got to get to sitting down and working out a deal that's going to really address the nation's problems. we've got to do something about guns. he's got to stake out some territory in which the white house won't retreat from. >> chip, how much is this a sell of the american people? >> well, i mean, i think right now as kind of like the governor said, set the tone. >> forgive me for interrupting but the president is out now in the eastern room. let's take a listen. >> good morning. i thought it might make some sense to take some questions this week as my first term comes to an end. it's been a busy and productive four years, and i expect the same for the next four years. i intend to carry out the agenda that i campaigned on, agenda for new jobs, new opportunity, and new security for the middle class. now, right now our economy is growing and our businesses are creating new jobs. so we are poised for a good year if we make smart decisions and sound investments. and as long
debt ceiling, he's going to make his statement that he's not going to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. but we've got to get to sitting down and working out a deal that's going to really address the nation's problems. we've got to do something about guns. he's got to stake out some territory in which the white house won't retreat from. >> chip, how much is this a sell of the american people? >> well, i mean, i think right now as kind of like the governor said, set the tone....
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stay away from letting the debt ceiling not be raised because those are things that the american people will hate. they'll hate us defaulting onli blame you for it. they'll hate us shutting the government down. if you want to make a stand, make it in the sequester. the sequester has a lot of things that are painful to the democrats and the president. that's the place to plak the stand. and, look, everyone agrees, every rational person agrees with michael. you've got a spending person as well as a revenue problem. we've got to cut spending. if you're republicans, make it under sequester. if you shut the government down or if you don't allow the debt ceiling to be raised and america defaults on its debts, whoa is you. there are a lot of suburban republican congressman who are absolute absolutely signing their death warrant. >> well, why not make the point on the sequester. why go to this extreme of a government shutdown. >> well, i'd actually agree with the governor. i think that that is a better spot to hold some ground. quite honestly, because those cuts are already in play. everybody k
stay away from letting the debt ceiling not be raised because those are things that the american people will hate. they'll hate us defaulting onli blame you for it. they'll hate us shutting the government down. if you want to make a stand, make it in the sequester. the sequester has a lot of things that are painful to the democrats and the president. that's the place to plak the stand. and, look, everyone agrees, every rational person agrees with michael. you've got a spending person as well as...
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ceiling and your own debt ceiling and doesn't it suggest we're going into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about this. >> no, major, i think if you look at the history. getting votes for the debt ceiling is difficult and votes in in town are difficult. i went through this last year. what is different we never saw a situation like we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. >> lou dobbs is the host of lou dobbs tonight on the fox business network. lou, welcome back. what an extraordinary exchange we saw the president have on that issue. basically his position was, we're raising the debt ceiling whether congress wants to or not. i'm not negotiating with them on it. i'm not following what speaker boehner said is the boehner rule of for every dollar we increase the debt limit there will be a spending cut and i'm not going to let them put a gun at the heads of american people because in his terms, they refuse to pay the bills that they've agreed to pay and when asked about the
ceiling and your own debt ceiling and doesn't it suggest we're going into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about this. >> no, major, i think if you look at the history. getting votes for the debt ceiling is difficult and votes in in town are difficult. i went through this last year. what is different we never saw a situation like we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting....
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed for another government shutdown? fight over the debt ceiling, what comes first, but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. lots of off camera meetings. life live lunch. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this
for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed...
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he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff. it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's
he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of...
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they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we start with nbc's peter alexander outside the white house. peter, the president also told congress if they don't want to take the political risk of raising the limit, give him the power. he'll do it himself. >> reporter: that's clear f. you aren't going to do it, i'll do it myself. in essence today, toure, he basically dared congress not to up the debt ceiling today. obviously, one of the comments he said that i think is pretty interesting is saying in his own language, they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the econom
they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we...
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chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things down. and credit ratings will be affected. chris: when is the public going to make a verdict on whether they like that kind of behavior? >> they sort of did in the last election. chris: and 12 of our regulars including you, howard, can president obama split off enough republicans to win the big fights copping up on debt and the budget -- coming up on debt and the budget and guns? eight say yes. four say no. howard, you voted with the majority nt at least on the debt and budget issues and you're wary on the gun thing. >> yeah. and for the reasons that john was saying. because a lot of democrats who will be ru
chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things...
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the debt ceiling is going to be made. america is not at the end of the day going to --. on the other hand, they are not going to solve this quickly. they will make us go through the same thing they did at the end of 2012. david: we're always hearing that the president is not going to make a deal until he does make a deal and the same is true with congress but something is going to get done. let's focus on stocks for a second. we had this two very interesting bits of news from the tech market. apple waking up to news today that they are not selling as many iphone 5s as they thought they would therefore they are cutting back on supply orders. also the news from dell that they may be going private. is there a retrenchment -- retrenchment going on in the tech sector >> being a commodity person all my life, a commodity is a commodity and over time it loses value. dell has discovered that. that is one of the problems they are in. they have to get into a different business. apple came out with its iphone 5 which didn't shake the world. i have an iphone 4-s. why do i need an iph
the debt ceiling is going to be made. america is not at the end of the day going to --. on the other hand, they are not going to solve this quickly. they will make us go through the same thing they did at the end of 2012. david: we're always hearing that the president is not going to make a deal until he does make a deal and the same is true with congress but something is going to get done. let's focus on stocks for a second. we had this two very interesting bits of news from the tech market....
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. >>> battle over the debt ceiling and spending cuts. jon harwood will recap the latest war of words doming up next. then words from the billionaire executive who says we need to watch out for creeping socialism into the country. he was born in hungary and he sees a lot of warning signs. >>> plus nightmare on housing. so called zombie homes. what are they? this will shock you. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] you've climbed a few mountains during your time. and having an investment expert like northern trust by your side makes all the difference. we add precision to your portfolio construction by directly matching your assets and your risk preferences against your own unique life goals. we call it goals driven investing. after all, you don't climb a mountain just to sit at the top. you look around for other mountains to climb. ♪ expertise matters. find it at northern trust. >>> welcome back. zombie homes, have you heard of this? diana olick tells us what they are and how they can impact your property value. >> they are foreclosures
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we expect him to talk about the debt ceiling. we're going to bring his comments to you live. >>> it's been one month since the tragic shooting at sandy hook elementary school. politicians at the state and federal level are scrambling to find ways to end gun violence in america. and one of them maryland governor martin o'malley outlined plans for what he says would be the toughest gun laws in the country. >> this would be a comprehensive legislative package to prevent gun violence and it addresses not only the guns but mental health and school safety. briefly, it will ban military assault weapons that have no place on the streets of baltimore or no other neighborhood in our state and it will limit the size of magazines in order to make it harder for criminals to gun down in succession police officers or school children. >> that might work for a state like maryland, a very blue state, but maybe not so much at a federal level. david keane, the president of the national rifle association, says, yeah, it will be a whole different stor
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i will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. congress has to do its job. >> woodruff: when it comes to the republicans jake sherman, you've been talking to some of the folks on the hill. they were digging in their heels just as much as the president was. what was their reaction? >> i think they have... they see this situation as three big issues: the government funding issue. that runs dry at the end of march. the debt ceiling. and these automatic spending cuts that take hold at the beginning of march. they want to use these opportunities. they don't think it's so bad to shut down the government or to default on the debt. they are even skeptical of the administration's estimates of when that will happen. so they see themselves really having very little leverage besides doing something which a lot of americans would consider extreme which is defaulting on the debt or shutting down the government. now i think it's virtually impossible that speaker john boehner will raise the debt ceiling without commensurate spending cuts. he's wa
i will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. congress has to do its job. >> woodruff: when it comes to the republicans jake sherman, you've been talking to some of the folks on the hill. they were digging in their heels just as much as the president was. what was their reaction? >> i think they have... they see this situation as three big issues: the government funding issue. that runs dry at the end of march. the debt ceiling. and these automatic spending cuts that take hold at the...
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let's use the sequester, but don't use the debt ceiling. that's a bad idea. >> president said he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. >> i think he's right on that. >> senator, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. nice to see you all. >>> and we spoke to supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. she spoke with scott pelley about her new york city home and reputation as a tough corporate lawyer. >> you write in your book that one day one of the associates one of your colleagues was on the telephone, and he described you, your words, not mine as one tough -- >> his words. >> as one tough bitch. >> yeah. >> and when you heard that, you thought what? >> what in the world is wrong with me? i was a pretty tough negotiator and hard to push around and i don't think they were used to my kind of toughness then. >> is his description in any way unfair? >> probably not. >> she's been called a lot of things, but she told us more than madam justice, she prefers another title. >> it's sonia from the bronx. >> what does it mean to be sonia from the bronx
let's use the sequester, but don't use the debt ceiling. that's a bad idea. >> president said he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. >> i think he's right on that. >> senator, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. nice to see you all. >>> and we spoke to supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. she spoke with scott pelley about her new york city home and reputation as a tough corporate lawyer. >> you write in your book that one day one of the associates...
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in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> where is the sequestration in these numbers? >> it's not in here yet because it hasn't happened yet. this is sort of where we are today. this next graph shows you how budget wonks measure our progress. if we had done nothing, we w
in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from...
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ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. and the fact of the matter is, is that we have never seen the debt ceiling used in this fashion, where the notion was, you know what, we might default unless we get 100 percent of what we want. that hasn't happened. now, as i indicated before, i'm happy to have a conversation about how we reduce our deficits further in a sensible way. although one thing i want to point out is that the american people are also concerned about how we grow our economy, how we put people back to
ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress...
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this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending on entitlements like social security and medicare and fixing a long-term problem. it's not just about paying the bills. it's about the future. >> right, but there are also a lot of political calculations in here. i assume they're very close to the political calculations we saw in the last crisis. >> yes, they are, although, you know, in the last crisis it was very clear that the president had the let me rverage. he had just won the election. he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far
this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending...